This would be volunteer work, I have no resources to pay translators at the moment. Yes, they are valid, but this is not a discussion worth having. You can post now and register later. THIS so called gender was made by a tumblr user in 2014, which is quite obvious it is not lgtb.they have no links to what the lgtb is about such as Gender/sexuality/identification.it is stupid that they have ohtbursted in this pride month. Please refer to these threads instead. It is more helpful to ask xenogender people to help you understand xenogenders, than to ask non-xenogender p But xenogender is not the same as otherkin. Most people including most transgender people are either male or female. Here is the question: do you think your gender is valid? As stated by mayoclinic.org Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics. A gender can not be described as sugery" or playfull". Transphobes dont hate us because we use neopronouns, they hate us because were trans., Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics. TMBR is a place where we can discuss controversial topics freely and explore various ideas and opinions. WebThey are valid, ONLY if you use them for the right reason. https://xenogenderwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Why_xenogenders_are_valid lol no one who thinks xenogender isn't valid is going to respond, because they don't want to get a warning. WebNo. WebThey are not valid. It kind of seems equally arbitrary? A Xenogender is a gender that is made for peoples interests/struggles. I thought xe/xem pronouns were easy and sounded good on me. A lot of it is people feeling alienated or excluded from human society in general and carving out their own identity. I thought xe/xem pronouns were easy and sounded good on me. Some of it isn't pleasant from both the cis-normative and LGBT darker corners of communities. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Neopronouns are a form of being non-binary. if you are trans, why can you not accept those who are also trans, but describe their gender in ways Not really important I guess. I admittedly dont get the whole non-binary and gender fluid thing, though. I'm pretty sure this isn't an issue and that the only people that talk about it are being ironic or are the occasional teen with mental health issues. So since gender is subjective, I would argue that it is intersubjective at the level of a society. It was especially shocking that binary transgender people were taking part in this bullying. So, some lady hears about this. Answers to your questions about transgender people 9 questions about trans issues you were too embarrassed to ask Explained: The difference between gender, gender expression, and sexuality From 'Disclosure' to 'Pose': What movies, shows to watch during Transgender Awareness Week The racist history of the sex binary, What really happens when kids say they're transgender? Explaining what is mspec homo and why it is valid! Neopronouns are pronouns for people who dont feel comfortable using she/her, he/him, or they/them pronouns. Riley: Sweet! list of xenogenders carrd? As we move further away from the false notion that gender and sex are related, and further towards gender abolition, the lines between gender identity and any other form of identity blurs, until the difference is obscured altogether. Stop trying to be lgtb so hard. Are they harmful? I certainly know I have such a relationship, where I can say, My body wants X, but I dont. Or, I want X, but my body doesnt.. I think its cringe, but it's valid. Some peoples gender changes over time.. Some people may want to answer your question without debating the topic. I use neopronouns for several reasons: Im cat gender and using cat related pronouns help me feel more comfortable. Neopronouns arent what makes the trans community look like a joke, infighting between us is what makes us look like a joke. People who use Xenogenders to get into the LGBTQIA+ community do not experience gender dysphoria. Being a therian means you feel more like a animal, or you feel comfort in acting like one. why bother punching down to other trans people you dont understand or care for, when you can simply mind your own business or take time to learn about why they might feel this way. Saying you are cat gender because you feel "warm and fuzzy" is terrible. I'm not a native English speaker and I can hardly understand it (Does this mean the word "valid" is invalid to me? I am aware that currently many terms are being coined to mock the LGBTQIA+ community, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case for Xenogenders, but that doesn't aurtomatically mean they are valid. Its not real! This not be related to real people, such as the gender adolfhitlergender. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It can be complicated, but xenogenders are often described as feeling like objects, sensations, songs, feelings, concepts, etc. For the LGBTQ+ community: LGBTQ+ people were ostracized for years, because at a time it was considered disgusting and not normal to like the same gender, or to identify with the opposite gender. These gender identities are typically defined metaphorically in relation to animals, plants, things or sensory characteristics. I want people to use their own definition. Jeffery Baker*, a Bythewood student, falls somewhere in the middle with this issue, If Im with you, Ill call you whatever you want, but I dont think it should be the job of society to change. He continued, society should not be forced to normalize it, because that just goes against the first amendment., Daisy, a non-binary, they/them user disagreed. Xenogenders that identify with animals do not mean that if you identify with them you identify as a cat, though this is a common misconception. What are you gonna do, cry? Moth goes by doll/dolls and teef/teefs pronouns, which caused a large backlash, not only on TikTok, but within the LGBTQ+ community. some use it for describing their gender and How they feel. But I wanted to know if its ok if I use this chart/how I should credit you. They are not valid in lgtb, they are valid on their own. (transphobic meme), So I have to ask this. But! You can discuss their meaning and where they fit into everything, as a stand Feeling pretty smug, she point to herself and says, My gender is Bob Sagats pants. Transgender folk roll their eyes. Lots of people; lots of differences. Does the buddy have a relationship with the mind? I am currently in my 3rd year of writinga new type of educational LGBTQIA+ book aiming to help people achieve a better understanding of the community through stories and other writing. Xenogenders use objects or animals. Cass, a user of xe/xem/xyrs pronouns said, I was struggling a lot trying to find pronouns that felt right for me that werent inherently gendered like they/them. But some people dont neatly fit into the categories of man or woman, or male or female. For example, some people have a gender that blends elements of being a man or a woman, or a gender that is different than either male or female. (For example, binary trans people use these as well, and using a xenogender doesn't make them a nonbinary person.). My siblings and my dad have autism and they said it isn't true. Did you make an alt account to repost the same thing? I do know there's massive debate elsewhere. This is identifying as a food, or using food as a metaphor as your gender. They are both umbrella terms. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Most Xenogender users use neopronouns that correlate with their gender, such as kit/kitself/pup/pupself/bun/bunself/sweet/sweetself/fae/faeself/ Xenogenders are totally valid and help neurodivergent people understand what they identify as! Saying your gender is a cat is harmful to genderfluid, NB and trans people (also me). She and he pronouns were okay but didnt fit right exactly. More general trans/nonbinary information. A person can have more than a one xenogender. here, how about a question, what would you say your gender felt likewithout naming it the following: masculine, feminine, androgyne, neutral, male, female, man, woman and so on. WebDiscover short videos related to xenogender not valid on TikTok. Ah wow Im surprised my thread is well enough to help people understand hahah <-< /lh /pos But hey! @LGBTAtreyu i am more than happy to expla Neogenders are also MOGAI genders and any genders that dont fit under Neogender arent MOGAI genders. Transgender and gender-nonconforming people might experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives. Many non-binary people experience gender dysphoria, except they experience it for she/her and he/him pronouns, and neopronouns users experience it for she/her, he/him, and they/them pronouns. WebXenogenders are not transphobic and they are completely valid and real. @Axie_ArtlTwitter: @iiChessYTDiscord: https://discord.gg/3h6KwPV Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I graduated school because someone said I did. In addition to this, people may describe amative genders with nouns (explaination of the terms in the links), https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Affinitive_Genders, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Amative_Orientations, like for a way ofexperiensing a gender(see schrodigender)or for conditional genderfluidity (seeastrogender), which may sound simular to affirmative xenogenders for an outside observer and may also be considered xenogenders, and yet aredifferent from affirmative xenogenders as you see, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Schrodigender, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Astrogender, but that doesn't aurtomatically mean they are valid, What do you mean? A poll asking people whether xenogenders are valid yes or no is NOT a good idea. I identify as non-binary and use they/he/ze pronouns. In logic, specifically in deductive reasoning, an argument is valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false. When someone used xem on me for the first time, I felt really happy, so I kept using them.. Neopronouns should absolutely be normalized!! Some nonbinary people have mental variations (mental illnesses, neurological conditions, or neurodivergence). Some people may create xenogenders based on things of comfort/interest to them. Friendly reminder that under current ToS, we don't allow invalidation of anyone's identity, be they standard or esoteric. I think honestly that people carving out their own identity is fine if that's really what they want to do, and if you really think xenogenders existing is harming general perception of trans people, I think you might be a bit too invested in the respectability politics of having "good optics" so the general population sees us as "legitimate" and "valid". So for cloudgender I can think of a few things, like light and fluffy like a cloud, or the overal aesthetic of clouds can be applied to a persons gender identity! We should not be against each other and its really important trans people give each other support.. WebXenogenders are valid. WebFandom Apps Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Out of being respectful I'll refer to a person as they want to be addressed. I'm not sure who is. I also hate how some people say they are valid, they are not real genders. This means that on AVEN you can't make the argument that xenogenders aren't valid. xe/xem/xyrs pronouns said, I was struggling a lot trying to find pronouns that felt right for me that werent inherently gendered like they/them. Theyre doing more harm than the person who uses those pronouns by bashing them., When it comes down to it, neopronouns are just a way to express oneself in the truest form. Its valid to use your chosen genders pronouns. Yes people can have fun with xenogenders but there is a line and some people crossed it. Just be a furry and otherkin which is 100% awesome and stop harming people who have enough trouble, these are kids chasing clout and stomping all over actual minority people. Your link has been automatically embedded. And asexuality was made up by people online in the early 2000s, so are aces not LGBT? If you have more that the cards and thread do not answer please feel free to @ mention or quote me it. It's valid to prefer xeno pronouns. It is also considered as an umbrella term that brings together several sub-categories , according to different characterization methods: the first relates to archetypes of thought (fictitious creature, concept, symbol), the second to sensory or aesthetic perceptions (texture, form , size, light) and the last is linked to neuroatypies , gender identity is consubstantial with neurodivergence. But I don't see any utility or reason for xenogenders other than to be a contrarian or seeking attention. For someone to say someone elses internal thoughts and feelings are invalid would require insight I lack. Whatever the mode of expression of the xenogender, the idea is to get rid of all material determination to move towards a representation that frees from the bodily shackles . I have a pride account on Instagram (@abro.awareness), so please dm me with an answer if possible! (Nazi-gender, gayfuckgender, stupidgender, sourgender, mentalillnessgender). Not because xenogenders are themselves genders, but because anyone who adopts a xenogender must already be nonbinary by definition. By PAOLA BAPELLE YEET MAGAZINE | Updated 0439 GMT (1239 HKT) March 24, 2022. Thank you. Xenogender thus pushes back the limits of our representations, through an identity that emphasizes our most intimate feelings, ignoring all bodily reality. Now for a disclaimer: All that comes from the perspective of a complete outsider, so it's very possible I'm missing nuances here. Why is everything a gender now? Gender should stay how it is no changes, if any more it will be chaotic and stupid and gender will turn into a slur . Ringo: I have a xenogender! Xenogender is the perfect example for how the western LGBTQ+ community works. Being otherkin means you feel like a mythical creature like a angel. There is a misconception that using one of these makes someone trans and/or nonbinary. Then how does utilising xenogenders improve lives for the people who wish to utilise them? They're arguably a way of being seen as different, but removed of this desire, is any harm done asking these folk to stick to regular gender neutral pronouns? But that doesn't mean that you can assume the gender of someone based on a xenogender identity. Again, I don't like crypto, but that's essentially the best analogy I could think of before coffee. due to both of them and every term under them being neogenders."[3]. Ultimately I think the human experience is so incomprehensibly vast that there's no use trying to define what should and should not be considered a "valid" way to exist. And what does the word "valid" mean, can you define it? And, perhaps obviously, genders can be switched in the example above.) From what I understand, Xenogenders are hyperspecific genders that describe someone's gender in a way that is outside of human understanding. How someone chooses to identify doesnt affect you. My friend told me about her sister creating questionable genders. everyone, people who struggled to find gender identity will be called ableist for not liking xenogender. Id say no. Pronouns are meant to replace nouns and kitty/kittyself (just an example) are nouns, defeating the point of pronouns. Nounself pronouns Unfortunately most folk don't have the same attitude of "you crack on pal" as you've stated here. They are three very different things. Anyway, I think the whole MOGAI trend that happened years ago on tumblr of just making a bunch of hypothetical genders up whether or not anyone actually identified with them was classic internet absurdity, but there's a difference between that and people actually identifying that way. I'm making this post to ask some questions about Xenogenders, and if whether or not they are valid. Many binary trans individuals felt that neopronoun users were invalidating all the hard work the trans community has done to be normalized in society. Just want to note that its probably better yo adjust the wording here. Its kinda confusing to say wether or no its valid (which is already a n I guess I'd raise a question of optics. Upon that happening, gender as we understand it is fully abolished. All rights reserved. Ou derives from the Middle English (h)a, which is a reduced form of the Old and Middle English masculine and feminine pronouns he and heo (yes, she used to be heo).. bruh WYM by hating this isnt nature geographical. People treat her as a female. No one should expect others to use pronouns that they dont feel comfortable with, by doing that youre denying our rights too. Shed like her body to look like how it treats her. Historically there have been two used since the 1300s, spe, For example, ou will could mean he will, she will, or it will. The MOGAI community Wiki is a FANDOM Lifestyle Community. However, it notes a clear and necessary departure from gender being associated solely with femininity and masculinity . It's usually pretty easy to tell if someone is serious about it or trolling. Xenogenders are not genders, and directly play into transphobic stereotypes and mockery ("I identify as an apache attack helicopter"). You can discuss their meaning and where they fit into everything, as a stand-alone gender or an add-on to a more conventional gender identity, but since people genuinely identify as xenogenders, xenogenders are valid identities to be. Many binary trans individuals felt that neopronoun users were invalidating all the hard work the trans community has done to be normalized in society. Pride March: How did the rainbow flag evolve? It also includes genders that were given definitions in or after 2000, as long as there was no strong implied definition and/or it was used to People who use xenogenders don't actually identify their gender as the word they've used prefacing "-gender". We are not bumbling idiots that are retarded. In my opinion gender is a category that is derived from sex and exists in relation to it. WebXenogenders are a specific variety of nonbinary gender. This radical woke crowd is becoming a parody of itself. Xenogenders You dont have to understand in order to be respectful. Sorry I didnt see this any sooner but glad I could help! it is valid. Isabel Wosina Apr 9, 2021 at 3:58 pm. assimilation is not gonna stop transphobia or transmisogyny. You're complaining about someone being a cat, but that has no bearing on their pronouns or gender identity. A Gastrogender is a gender that relates to sweet foods, and Foodgender is a gender that relates to food in general. Oil continued, How someone chooses to identify doesnt affect you. Just like other words LGBTQ+ folks use, its my personal assertion that people who identified with xenogenders existed before the words themselves - Genderfluid people existed before the term was used, lesbians existed before the term was used, etc. I can slightly understand this label, however, when I hear terms such as Cloudgender meaning a gender like a cloud, or Treegender, meaning a gender like a tree, then that's where I get kind of lost, and start to question whether or not these identies are valid. Person can have fun with xenogenders but there is a gender that relates to in. Anyone 's identity, be they standard or esoteric darker corners are xenogenders valid communities so I have ask... Acting like one my body doesnt he/him, or using food as a food, or you feel a. Not experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives body to look like a angel a mythical like... 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